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August 26, 2005 at 6:44 am · Filed under News Items

There are a number of headlines across the country regarding people up in arms with the price of gasoline, some taking it to the point of filling their tanks and then driving off without paying.

Where I agree that the dependency on foreign oil is and always has been crazy, making ourselves vulnerable to these oil rich nations, I always felt I had little knowledge on my own as to what to do about it. What puzzles me though is that even though *I* have little knowledge of cars and how to fuel them, there has to be a few out there with ideas for alternatives. Where the heck are they?

Recently, while speaking with Miranda, I was curious how she and Enric were coping with the prices of gas up there in Wisconsin (which are higher than here in Maryland).

She went on to tell me how there was a certain someone up there fueling his car with the left over french fry oil. Well that got my attention, and I started to do some investigating on the net.

Some of my finds of alternatives out there:

Diesel Secret
Bio Diesel Boards
Make your own biodiesel
Wikipedia on Biodiesel
Biodiesel NOW
Biodiesel Blog

bio diesel and french fries

Tigerblade said,

August 27, 2005 @ 11:40 am

Funny you should mention the prices in Wisconsin, as I live in Milwaukee. Milwaukee has the highest gas prices in the state, since we’re required to have this stupid “re-formulated” gas instead of regular. Just this week it hit $2.89 a gallon for a few days, then dropped to $2.79 and has stayed there since. Seriously, we can’t afford to keep buying gas like this… the cost of living is skyrocketing but wages aren’t anywhere near keeping up. “Despite the cost of living, it still remains popular.” Geez. This makes me glad I don’t have a car of my own at the moment.

Dave L said,

October 2, 2005 @ 10:01 pm

I’ve been researching on the web about Diesel Secret
Energy, and am expecting my package from them on Monday
10/3. I’m hoping it may be a good solution… currently
in my town there is NO diesel available at any price!!

Does anyone you know use the system that DSE promotes?

Bob Sauter said,

October 16, 2005 @ 8:44 pm

Well I’m wondering how your faring with DSE? Email me and let me know. Thanx bob

Harvey said,

October 20, 2005 @ 11:55 pm

Any feedback on DSE yet? After searching the web a fair amount, I
cannot find any feedback….positive or negative.

Harv

Barbara (Xerraire) said,

October 20, 2005 @ 11:59 pm

I added some links to the end of that particular blog.
Those forums are people who are actually TRYING and USING alternative
forms of fuel.

Once again, try these links

 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Biodiesel/message/12683

http://www.biodiesel.org/

Nick said,

November 12, 2005 @ 11:51 am

I was just wondering how the DSE was working for Dave L on 10/02/05. Did Dave get it working?
Is there a big difference? Any comments will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

shane said,

February 7, 2006 @ 11:56 am

I was just wondering how the DSE worked out please someone email me

BRYCE said,

February 10, 2006 @ 12:57 am

Ive been using DSE diesel for a few months now. I built the filtration system to there spects and I love it!!! i have not had any problems my jetta runs great and clean. the fuel filtration system is somewhat hard to build but I GOT THROUGH IT.

zach said,

April 23, 2006 @ 8:43 pm

I was wondering if some one is useing DSE in a FORD 7.3 diesel. Any comments would be appreciated.

Willy said,

May 5, 2006 @ 9:51 am

I like the rest of you want to hear from DSE users, and how long they have been using it. I have a 96 ford 7.3 powerstroke and want to run DSE.

Jeff said,

August 9, 2006 @ 8:39 pm

I have a 90 7.3 diesel and I use this DSE stuff religously. I have used straight diesel one time only. This stuff is kinda messy, and you have to change your fuel filter a few times in the beginning, but it is WELL worth it.

BILL MAC said,

September 12, 2006 @ 7:34 am

We are using old cooking oil from restaurants, filtering it and then adding DieselSecretEnergys’ additive (1oz per 5 gal). The Surbarban runs great with it. There is not a diesel odor, common with the normal diesel fuels and it doesnt smoke like you see from regular diesel engines. One WARNING, DONT USE DIESEL SECRET ENERGY WITH THE NEWER DODGE TRUCKS OR ANY VEHICLE THAT HAS A PLASTIC GAS TANK!!! FOR SOME REASON, THE INSIDE OF THE PLASTIC GAS TANKS TURNS TO A TAR LIKE SUBSTANCE, AND THIS SLUDGE CLOGS THE FUEL LINES AND FILTERS. USE ONLY METAL TANK VEHICLES!!!!!!
I think it might be the DSE additive, but Im not certain. Otherwise our vehicle runs great on it.

Christian said,

December 10, 2006 @ 11:53 pm

Xialyne will melt plastic tanks.

1987 MB Turbo diesel said,

December 15, 2007 @ 5:01 pm

I am planning to use DSE on my 1987 MB 6 cylinders Turbo diesel.

Does anybody know if it has a plastic or metal tank?

Has anybody used DSE?

Could you elaborate a little bit more on DSE?

Thanks….

Scott Straub said,

January 4, 2008 @ 9:45 am

hey bill mac how do you know dse fuel softens the tank i have plastic in my 2007gmc running dse since july no problens but i cant see inside my tank how can i tell?

Ash said,

January 22, 2008 @ 7:49 pm

I can’t find enough information regarding DSE and Bio fuel basics. Both companies claim the same results at comperable start up packages. It sounds too good to be true. I’d like to talk to some current users to see if this product is for real.

mj said,

February 3, 2008 @ 2:23 pm

Could someone that has been using DSE for a whle please comment.I read in a forum that because it does no remove glycerin it can damage your engine after several months of use.I am really interested in it but we need more feedback.

Bob Barnes said,

February 5, 2008 @ 1:47 pm

I never tried DSE but I have used http://www.biofuelbasics.com with no problems. I have a new Ford F350 and use there product every day for two years, and had no problems.

Rich said,

March 2, 2008 @ 2:53 pm

I have been using both DSE and Bio Fuel Basics in my 97 Fleetwood Discovery RV with a Cummins B5.9 diesel engine for the past few months and have had only one problem. At temps below 30 degrees, the fuel will gell. But to correct the problem I added 4 gallons of kerosene and 4 gallons of diesel fuel and the problem cleared right up within minutes. I will tell everyone though you should build a heating drum to clean the waste oil before you mix it. I use a 55 gallon steel drum that has a 2000 watt hot water heater element installed into the side at the bottom. This is just connected with a pigtail and then plugs intot he wall (110 volts). This heats the oil up to 200 degrees. By doing this you evaporate any suspended water and it allows the sediments from the frying process to settle to the bottom of the barrel. Once this is done you let the oil cool down and then drain off the clean oil into a 5 gallon bucket. Then mix the other ingredients. Finally, pump the oil through a 5 micron filter and then through a water block filter ( just in case ). Remember this too….regular diesel is onlyu filtered to 15-20 microns. We are going down to 5 microns. It works fine.

Rich said,

March 4, 2008 @ 9:30 am

As to the person who said something about the glycerin not being removeds from DSE fuel…..think about this….people who burn SVO OR staight vegetable oil do not have any problems with glycerin. So why would we. A friend of mine in NY has been using SVO for 2 years in his F-250 and has had no problems. Think about this…the temperatures in the cylinders of the diesel engine reach over 300 degrees. The glycerin is being burned in the chamber. As far as coking the injectors, if you useone of the many diesel fuel additives such as Diesel Kleen, this adds a cetane boost to the fuel and also has injector cleaners in it. The reason people are saying that these products are snake oil is the fact they don’t want people to use this simple method of making the biofuel. they would rahter you buy their systems and use dangerous chemicals. There is more involved than DSE and Biofuel Basics tell you, in making and gettting clean fuel. You just need to do the research so that you understand what you need to do and how to do it. If anyone needs honest advice and information on how to set up their station, just ask and I will help you.

tidewater said,

March 4, 2008 @ 8:09 pm

hi rich, my husband just ordered the dse starter pack and i was wondering if you could email me your phone # @shopgrajoy@aol.com so he can call you for some info on this. you sound like you really know what you are talking about and we really need that right now!!!! thanks, joye

Kenny said,

March 5, 2008 @ 12:46 pm

I have a dodge with a 5.9 Cummins. Will either DSE or BIO-Fuel Basics work for me. I have looked into making bio-diesel but it is to much cost for startup. I run my truck daily, and can not afford catastrophic failure with bad fuel and the domino effect.
Thanks for any info.
king_mr_k@yahoo.com

Richard Prosapio said,

March 9, 2008 @ 11:44 am

Also want to contact Rich re. setting up my dodge-to-be. Need help and advice on using DSE…contact please: coyotecall@spiritpath.net

Keith said,

March 9, 2008 @ 9:42 pm

Hi all…I just received my DSE order and, without having any WVO just yet, was anxious to try it using new soy oil. I’m on my second 5 gallons and it seems fine…the engine runs quieter and the smell of the exhaust is wonderful. I spent an hour at Lowes shopping for parts to build my filtration station. I tend to err on the side of caution so I’m going to add a small water heater inline to heat the WVO while filtering. I’m also going to filter the oil several times, for about an hour, to be sure all particles are removed.

By the way, I don;t think you should use a trash can as a tank. You should be able to find a nice heavy poly-drum at a car wash or mechanics garage…it just seems safer and won’t puncture as easily. I began sourcing out WVO this week, so far so good. I have a fleet of 10 diesel trucks in my landscaping business so I’m going to have to find enough WVO, about 100 gallons a week, to save a signifigant amount of money.

Jonathan Davis said,

March 23, 2008 @ 5:16 pm

I to just ordered the starter package of DSE. I own an 07 GMC with the 6.6L Duramax and I email DSE and they told me that due the Diesle Particulate Filter I would have to filter down the fuel to 2 microns. I guess the finer the filter the finer the fuel. Anyone out there running this alternative fuel in the 07 6.6 Duramax??? Thanks. Jonathan.

Magic Marty said,

March 25, 2008 @ 12:43 am

I am researching biodiesel & DSE, am ready to buy a friend’s GMC Savanah 3500 diesel van, and visit my friendly diner! I’ll be trying to contact you guys to learn, because energy-efficiency is becoming my avocation (and maybe my vocation!). Thanks for each contribution. Marty

Steve said,

March 25, 2008 @ 3:00 am

Can anyone make a reccomendation for me as to which direction I should go… DSE OR OTHER.. I have an 07 f-250 6.0 PS. THANKS.

Magic Marty said,

March 26, 2008 @ 12:36 am

Steve, After speaking w leader of my local HUDSON VALLEY BIODIESEL COOPERATIVE, I’ve decided to join their efforts, learn hands-on bio- production & help out, then make my own. Meanwhile I’ll be following what happens w DSE users also. My first motivation is for fuel oil! Marty

Jesse said,

March 26, 2008 @ 9:32 pm

I’m very interested in DSE. I have a 99 F250, 185K miles. Any longterm tests out there besides the 2 years of one person? I’m in FL so gelling is not a problem.
Jesse

Rich S said,

March 28, 2008 @ 8:17 am

I am in Colo, I just recived my starter kit from DSE and will be building my system this week-end, I use 1000 gal of Diesel every month in 6 differant trucks, because I am an ex Diesel mechanic and also an ex welder I will be building a pretty big fuel station of my own. I will be reproting to this web site my results. But first let me say to the person about the plastic tank melting, all of these chemicels you are mixing came in plastic bottels, right? think about that for a min, you must of got someting from your waste oil supplyer, they use some nasty stuff sometimes and dont care how they dispose of it, you better filter better next time.
I am going to build a 400 gal mixing tank, heated and with a 3 filtering prosses, and then pump it into a 1000 storage tank with a built in UV light, I will have another 400 gal tank for picking up of waste oil, which will be filled via a oil pump thru a pre filter.
I am looking at saving 3,000 per month on my fuel cost, and I cant wait to write the letter to the fuel supplyer telling him to stick his high priced diesel fuel delivery.
If anybody has any questions or needs help with anything, just fire away
ta ta for now
Rich

kevin in vegas said,

March 30, 2008 @ 10:17 pm

hi folks i have a 2004 powerstroke 6.0 anyone burning dse in one of these. my neighbor makes biodiesel looks like a pain. trying to stick it to the man but dont want to kill myself doing it

mike said,

April 3, 2008 @ 8:46 pm

hey rich

you said,
“At temps below 30 degrees, the fuel will gell. But to correct the problem I added 4 gallons of kerosene and 4 gallons of diesel fuel and the problem cleared right up within minutes.

how much oil did you add the kero and diesel to? and, what’s the overall mixing ratio with the oil?

tom said,

April 12, 2008 @ 5:56 pm

I have an 05 Dodge Sprinter which has a 5 cy mercedes turbo ch d engine very expensive to have serviced. Any one used DSE on this engine?

Rich said,

April 15, 2008 @ 12:48 pm

Hey Mike,
Sorry it took so long to get back to you. I work for a race team so time is hard to come by right now.
There was about 10 gallons of DSE and Diesel in the RV at the time. It was not getting any power on hills and once I added the kerosene and then the diesel, it thinnned out enough to work. I have heard this is a problem even with regular biodiesel so I am not worried. It has been warmer in Georgia so now there is no problem. Winter mix and blends just need more of regular diesel in the mix to be thin enough to run. Remember the thinner the mix the less chance of having a problem with your injection or lift pump.

Xerraire said,

April 16, 2008 @ 7:36 am

Hi all

I have created a space for this discussion in Barb & Friends Forum. This might move things faster on this topic.
All are welcome to continue to post here if they wish, but I thought things might go faster for those with questions in a forum » http://www.xerraireart.com/friends/index.php?topic=11

Membership is free.

Barb
:)

mike said,

April 18, 2008 @ 6:41 pm

hey man, thanks for getting back. i did start to wonder if you were a ship in the night
and to your response, i’m now scratching my head with possible misinformation that i’ve gathered, hence, another question
i was under the impression that dse was a quart-sized additive treatment, but your 10gals says no. what the heck is dse? or am i now misunderstanding what you wrote?

Rich said,

April 20, 2008 @ 5:37 pm

Hey Mike,
I am in Mexico City right now and just checked the site.
As to what DSE is???? I beleive it is nothing more than fuel stabilizer.I saw another guy on the web using the same formula EXCEPT he used Stabil fuel stabilizer instead of the DSE additive.
This is why I believe that DSE and Biofuel Basics, both, are just making stabilizer and saying it is their special formula. I have a friend in NY who uses straight vegetable oil and he adds nothing to the oil. So why do we need to use their additives????
He runs an F-250 and has had NO trouble except with his fuel line, which he has changed. I see so many people say that the veg oil/kero/gas blends are no good, but then why can people use the straight oil but we can’t use a blend??? This does not make sense. What everyone needs to realize is that in order for ANY veg oil based fuel to work and burn in our engines properly and safely, is that they need to properly clean and filter the oil they use, no matter what the formula. This alternative technology has the oil companies worried. And to the people who have had engine failures…well you did something wrong. Either you had a problem before you started using these alternative fuels, you did not properly clean and filter the oil, or you used oils that were not pure vegetable based oils. This is the most important aspect of the process, no matter if you make pure biodiesel, blends or use straight oil.
So if you are worried about using these alternative fuels, well then resign yourself to the fact that you’ll be stuck paying higher prices for diesel fuel no matter what. I myself will be looking to purchase a diesel car for my wife and myself in the near future in addition to my diesel powered RV. I am even going to buy a Kubota garden tractor that is diesel. Little 3 cylinder engine that will last forever and will put out far less emissions than gas powered tractors. Good luck mike and if you need more info, just let me know. I will try to check the site more often.
Rich

mike said,

April 20, 2008 @ 8:14 pm

mexico city? i hope you’re getting better weather than we are up here on the east coast. cold and rainy. but we do need it

and as per me, i’ll be researching it to the nth degree, as i ‘m about to use one of the tanks of my ‘96 f250 as a wvoer. i already have about 80gals of filtered oil, and i was just given a couple bolts of 5 micron cloth from an acquaintance at a filter manufacturing plant. he even offered the use of their lab equipment to micron test the paper, restaurant grease filters that i initially used to filter my oil. i’ll also experiment with one of my tractors, a two cyl yanmar, in an effort to learn before being stranded on the road.
i’m amazed at how much conflicting? info, and companies that have appeared on the horizon since i first came upon the ideas four years ago

i hope you have a good time in mayhico

mike said,

April 22, 2008 @ 8:34 pm

rich

i forgot to mention in my previous post; so far, my cursory research led me to what seems to be a good idea regarding a wvo mixture. to the filtered oil, by volume, add 15% diesel fuel as a prophylactic against baterial growth. sounds very good to me. and i’m sure i’ll try the stabil also, since i also took that advice from the local woodsmen, and it works well with my lawn mowers, generators and chain saws. they all start right away, even after sitting idle for months at a time. and that was never the case before using stabil

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Manu said,

May 5, 2008 @ 2:13 pm

Well the are a several kind of biodiesel (from girasol, caña de azucar, jatrofa, palma, maiz, arroz, etc ..) but is not the solution, the biodiesel couldbe a complementary for our energy markets.

Is better, to develop a new kind of education in energy consumption. If each one have a new energy culture we could have another energy scenaries.

M.

Andy said,

May 6, 2008 @ 7:14 am

For everyone out there wondering about how DSE works. I am running DSE in a 2005 Duramax with no conversion at all. Everything is running perfect. I to was very cautious about using it with all the badmouthing out there. But people just dont want to beleive that it works. Try it and you will save alot of money. I am saving $42 per fillup.

Charles Lassor said,

September 8, 2008 @ 12:47 pm

I’ve been running DSE in my 1985 turbo diesel Benz with no problems, I have had to change out the filter a few times, but no real problems. I just bought a 1999 diesel Jetta TDI, is there anyone else out there running the DSE potion with a newer Volkswagan Jetta? I would like to know how it’s worked for you. Thank you. Charlie

Ernie said,

September 22, 2008 @ 6:30 pm

Been running a 50/50 mix of DSE in my 97 Dodge cummins diesel for some time now. At first I put the mixture in my 60 metal reserve tank and pulled from it iwth no problems. I kept jsut regular diesel in the truck’s stock tank to be safe. Having experienced no problems I waited until the main tank got to about half full and filled it with the DSE fuel. At first no problems, but after a few days I started experiencing power loss that felt like the truck was starving for fuel. When I would switch back to the metal reserve tank the problem would clear up. Now the problem comes and goes from both tanks. I have changed the fuel filter and it always appears clean. Any suggestions?

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